Joyous Expansion Podcast Transcript Heather Picken – Gain Clarity on Your Vision, Breakthrough Self-Sabotage, And Live Fearlessly

Brett Dupree:

Hello, Heather, and welcome to my podcast.

Heather Picken:

Well, hello, Brett. Thank you so much for having me as your guest.

Brett Dupree:

My pleasure. Why don’t you give the guests a brief introduction to who you are?

Heather Picken:

Yes. So I am the creator of The Vision Method and I have a patent pending journal called The Vision Journal. Basically, I deal with people that want to get to the next level. So think about high performance, creating discipline, focus, getting out of your own way, gaining clarity. That is something that I’m just so passionate about. I’m sure we’ll probably talk about how that really came about.

Brett Dupree:

And who were you before you decided to go on this path? How did you grow up and stuff?

Heather Picken:

It’s interesting because it goes back to when I was in fourth grade, I was diagnosed with a learning disorder dyslexia, and I can remember sitting in the classroom thinking how stupid I was, because I was yanked out of the classroom in front of my peers, shuffled across the room to be in this special room where I was being tutored. And I didn’t know what was going on that really shaped me in that moment. Like it really shaped my identity. So for many years after that, I really struggled to kind of get it together, going through college. I barely made it through college. It took me actually six years to make it through college. And I always joke. It’s like, I didn’t get my master’s degree, but I got my PhD in failure. And so it’s like everything that I tried to do with my body, with my relationships, just trying to move forward, I would get stuck.

Heather Picken:

And so I would start getting in my head, beating myself up. Why is it so hard for me? Why does it take longer for me to do anything? One of the very first things that got me on this path was actually my body. I had struggled with my body for so many years when I was in high school, I had anorexia and it was just an unhealthy relationship with my body show. I really wanted to, you know, find a way where I could transform my body. That’s where I got into bodybuilding. It totally changed my life when I thought, okay, this is a way for me to, you know, do something that was very powerful, how this changed. This is so crazy because I remember going to the gym one day and I was looking at this girl like her physique was just incredible. Wow.

Heather Picken:

I’d love to look like that. And at the same time, it was that movie. When the Terminator came out with Linda Hamilton, there was a scene where she was doing the pull ups. And so I go to the gym after watching that movie and I started to visualize myself as that character. And six months later, I transformed my body. That changed my life. I went to my first competition, placing third one, a an overall show and place top five and many competitions. And then I turned that into a business. It was all about creating a mind, body connection. So I started doing that and then I started to evolve my business. I took that online. I wanted to evolve my business in a different way. And that’s when I started working with entrepreneurs, focusing on their mindset, their vision, and helping them get out of their own way. And there are so many other things and failures along the way, but that, that’s kind of how my story evolved.

Brett Dupree:

You got to the gym, you worked out, you visualize and you learn this. How did you discover the brain body connection? How did that actually click?

Heather Picken:

You know, it’s interesting. I came across a book and I’m thinking of this was before bodybuilding. It’s just amazing. It was a book called just think yourself thin. I think that was the title. And I was very intrigued by that concept. If you think about having a thin body that you could actually create that in this book, if I remember it, wasn’t very scientific, but I grabbed hold of the concept because for many years, my identity was, I was fat. I could never lose weight. I would beat myself up. So that was one of the books. The Terminator, when I was visualizing that this is a crazy thing I was visualizing and I didn’t understand what I was doing. And all of the sudden that’s how my body transformed going back. Now I think about it, going back to my childhood, I used to do these things that a school carnivals called a cakewalk, and it was kind of like musical chairs where you would go around, walk around in a circle, the music would stop. And then you would have to stand wherever you landed on that number, whatever number. And then your number would be called you would win a cake. Every single year. I would go home with a cake because when I was doing this cakewalk as a kid, I was visualizing myself, literally holding the cake. I had no idea what I was doing at the time. It’s just so crazy. So I had been like this all my life. I just didn’t realize, you know what I was doing.

Brett Dupree:

You worked hard on yourself and you switched your mindset. What made you want to start helping other people with theirs?

Heather Picken:

What happened? It was kind of what I call my breaking down moment. I think a lot of people have what I call that dark night of the soul. I had moved across the country. It was for a boyfriend. That’s always how the story goes for a boyfriend. I remember moving out of fear, rule number 997, never do anything out of fear that you know, you’re just not aligned with. So I moved in with him. I didn’t really have a lot of money. I didn’t have a car. I think I had like a couple hundred dollars left in my bank account. My credit cards are just maxed out. It was shortly after I moved in with him. We had a fight. It was 2:00 AM. He kicked out. Now at the time I had this little Chihuahua named angel, I stuffed all my belongings into trash bags.

Heather Picken:

I sat there alone in the dark going, how did I get here? I’m a college educated woman and why do I keep repeating this same situation? And I’m going to make it my mission and my intention to help other people if I make it through this night. And that’s what I did the next day. I found a complete stranger to move in with on Craigslist. It’s such a crazy story. I mean, there’s more to this story, but I moved in with this person. I dedicated myself. And this is where the focus is really important. I only focused on my business. I worked out, I ate, slept, and that’s it. And within a couple of months, my entire business transformed my mindset transformed. It was so liberating. And that was really the catalyst for me and my calling to work with other people, because I didn’t want to go through that pain.

Brett Dupree:

What pain?

Heather Picken:

The pain of reliving that lesson over and over again.

Heather Picken:

And also the pain of people that are struggling. A lot of people and even successful people everybody’s struggles at some level, but if you don’t know how to get out of your own way, you’re going to stay there. I was on a mission to understand how you get out of your own way. What is really the science behind why we get stuck? And so I started learning and training and researching really dedicating the rest of my life to not only evolve myself, but to help other people. And it’s just so exciting when I can see someone transform their life, especially through the vehicle of serving other people, having a business that serves other people. That to me, is very inspiring.

Brett Dupree:

The more you help other people that your own personal life started to improve.

Heather Picken:

I think it goes hand in hand because as you know, now, I go back to when I was starting out, as I was helping other people, it gave me the confidence to dream bigger and the bigger that you dream, the more people that you can impact and the money is definitely a byproduct. That is what has always kept me going. Even through the toughest times, having that vision, having a vision, to serve people with whatever it is that you’re doing.

Brett Dupree:

I’m curious. Why did you want to start your own business? I mean, you could do almost, you can still work out and become an accountant or something. What about being an entrepreneur stood out to you?

Heather Picken:

You know, it’s funny. I have control issues. I never want anyone to control me and that I think that’s where it really originated from. I grew up my father. He started his own business from nothing that really instilled the values of hard work. Like he always told me, Hey, you’re just not sitting around and being lazy. You’re working in the yard or you’re getting a job. And I don’t like yard work. So I definitely got a job. I noticed, you know, when I would go to work, even if it was like a job, like a waitressing job or something like that, I didn’t like to be told what to do. I really did have control issues. And I thought, okay, I’m going to create something out of nothing. That’s kind of where it started. And I just, I love that idea of being my own boss. And I’m not going to sugar coat it because being an entrepreneur is one of the hardest things that you ever, ever do. Anyone taking on being an entrepreneur, you have to be resilient. That’s why I love doing what I do because I can get into someone’s head space and understand what issues they’re going through and how to navigate around that. Because it really isn’t about, I look at marketing and marketing is important, but it is a secondary issue. If someone can’t take action to move forward.

Brett Dupree:

Cool. So what made you want to write a book?

Heather Picken:

No. So I’ve written four books and my last book, the LA Dolce Vita formula, a woman’s guide to living a fearless and fabulous life. I wanted to take all my training and learning, put it into a book and talk about now, this book is specifically for women, but men have read it, but I wanted to speak to the experience of being a woman. My own struggles case studies of some of my clients really have them understand that fear is the number one thing that stands in your way to getting to the next level. You can look at any area of your life, wherever you are disempowered in that area. Not moving forward. I can guarantee you, there is a level and layer of fear, and this goes across the board. I don’t care how successful you are when I am working with like a high level CEO, they have fear.

Heather Picken:

They have struggles. You think they have it all together? Absolutely not. I love the complications can sound crazy. Just the complication of emotions and like, how do you get out of your own head? How do, how do you break through that trauma and drama that is running your psychology? When I can show other women how to get out of their own way, that when they become unstoppable. And I just love being a teacher, like looking at my own mess, like, Hey, look, I’ve had many failed relationships. I mean, now I’m in a great relationship, but it took me so many years of just learning about myself and just kind of understanding those patterns and realizing that I can be in a healthy relationship. I can be successful in a business. I don’t have to be a hundred percent positive all the time. I can embrace all of the failures and move through it. And that’s what I’m really good at.

Brett Dupree:

What is one of your failures that you had to push through it? How were you able to push through it? Wow.

Heather Picken:

So where do I start? There’s so many goes, well, one of the biggest ones, as I mentioned, being thrown out, that was a catalyst for me in my journey. I’m trying to think of, I want to talk, I’m trying to think of in generalities, investing in yourself. I have been at this for, gosh, I want to say about 15 years and I invested so much money. I mean over a hundred thousand. And it’s interesting because some people, when they invest in something and it doesn’t work out, it will stop them from moving forward. It’s never stopped me. You know, I’ve invested $5,000 over here, 10,000, 25,000, 80,000. Some of the things that absolutely did not work out. And one of the lessons that I’ve learned is that you cannot hold yourself in contempt. You cannot feel resentful for the things that you’ve done, that haven’t worked out. And so I think some of the biggest lessons for me have been through how I’ve invested chasing after, and I’m guilty of it chasing after those shiny objects, those types of strategies never work, never work, but they’re the greatest lessons. So you don’t want to stop investing in yourself. You want to keep doing that if in fact, your vision and your mission and your purpose is to keep moving forward and helping other people.

Brett Dupree:

What are some ways that you would recommend entrepreneurs to invest in them?

Heather Picken:

Honestly, the fastest way to invest in yourself is getting a coach or a mentor. In goal setting theory. They actually had a few things that will ensure, or actually accelerate the rate in which you achieve your goals. And one of those ways is hiring a mentor. When you’re getting someone to hold you accountable, you’re like 76% more likely to achieve your goals. So getting a mentor, making sure that you’re writing your goals down and that they’re not what I call unicorn goals. A unicorn goal is an unrealistic expectation that you have on yourself that you know, you’re not going to take action on. And I want to give you a quick example. I’ve had clients come to me and they said, Heather, I want to make a half a million in a year when they’ve never made a hundred thousand. I’m like, I am not going to agree to that because that’s unrealistic for a startup in business to have that goal. They have to understand what it takes to be disciplined as an entrepreneur. And that’s another thing every single day, you want to focus on the highest priority that you can do. You’ve got to have that discipline. And the last thing we’ll say is consistency. A lot of entrepreneurs are not consistent and taking actions. So if you bought a course or hired a mentor and you’re not consistent on what they’re telling you to do, don’t expect to get the results that you want.

Speaker 3:

So this is one of my favorite questions to ask is I see you’re someone who’s been on hay house radio, ABC, Fox, CBS, CW, and working on your own documentary plus working with a lot of high achievers and CEOs. Do you ever go through the fraud phenomenon?

Heather Picken:

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I think everyone does. I am not afraid to do something that is way out of my comfort zone. I think a lot of people think I’m crazy. People might say, well, who are you to do that? I don’t care. I need to be honest because I’m really good at aligning myself to big opportunities and that’s a benefit, but it also has a downside. The downside is now I have to 100% focus. I have to get out of my own way. So each time I approach these new things, like the documentary, working with high level CEOs, I will have to get out of my own way. So I’ll have to go in there really own my power in that area. And this is something that I teach my clients because I find at every level you will have that feeling, Oh, I feel like a fraud. I was working with a client the other day. It’s a very high level CEO and they had these same feelings, but it was just in a different area in which they’re working on. So I think it’s kind of comforting to know no matter where you’re at in your journey, we all feel that way. And I think if you feel too comfortable, you’re really not learning and pushing yourself enough.

Brett Dupree:

So what does that look like working with you?

Heather Picken:

I always think the way that I work is kind of like a friend in a way that challenges you, depending on if I’m working with someone in a group or one on one to me, I want my voice to be in their head. And what I mean by that is if you embrace these principles of changing, like really how to change your thinking, change your brain, then you’re going to start hearing my voice and you’re going to start implementing the things that you need to do, align and attract those opportunities. I like to build a rock, solid relationship with my clients. I think that’s so critical. And when you can do that, I have people like referring me to other people. You just build a relationship. I think a lot of people, especially like being online, a lot of people I think have lost sight of that. And I have like this love, hate relationship with it. Anyone in business, you know, you’ve got to treat your clients. Well, you’ve got to be like a friend to them now, obviously there’s boundaries that you don’t want to have them to cross. My philosophy is always focusing on the client. How can I help you to get to that next level? And what does that look like? That’s kind of how I work with my clients.

Brett Dupree:

Uh, what do you like most with working with your clients?

Heather Picken:

I love the breakthroughs. I absolutely loved. I like when they’re making more money, obviously, but it’s like when you’re taking someone’s brain and your remodeling it, and that’s the crazy thing about brain science is that the brain is neuroplastic. It can change in milliseconds. When just a quick little story. I was working with a client who was in Taiwan. They moved over to another country, didn’t speak the language. Can you help me build a business? And I said, sure, but my teaching is going to be totally different than the traditional way. And I said, if you do everything I tell you to do, I think you have a good shot at it. One of the things that we did was just focus on changing his self image. He was so blown away because he had a teacher’s mindset and a teacher’s mindset is just always just getting paid minimally. And I had to evolve his perception from that image. And so within, I think it was about eight weeks. He landed a $10,000 contract, and this is someone that’s moved to a different country. I was even surprised myself and it’s really not about me, but it’s about the person and how hungry they are to get out of their own way and do the inner work. And that’s the key.

Brett Dupree:

Hmm. It is amazing how much power we have on controlling well changing and transforming our brains.

Heather Picken:

It really is. And I’m still amazed when I get in my own head and I do get in my own way. And I always share my stories. Like if I’m working with my clients, because it’s a way for them to connect with me, like I am not perfect. I get in my head. What’s really great is being resilient when you can be resilient, like if something does not work out and that’s just the nature of business, being able to just pause, breathe, let go, the minute you let go, that’s when you’ll find the solution. I just think we hold on so tight because we are so wired to think a specific way. So we have to break that chemical addiction in our mind so that we can evolve and find the solutions we’re looking for.

Brett Dupree:

Then your bio, your favorite quote is knowing yourself as like having a superpower. Why is that your favorite quote?

Heather Picken:

Gosh, it, it really is my favorite quote because it’s been my story with every relationship. I’ve realized that it’s failed blown up in my face when I was not being true to myself. That’s where my business would die. My vision would just diminish because that wasn’t standing in my power. I think a lot of people, especially women, they’re so afraid to stand in their power because of fear of approval. And so when you know yourself, it is like having a superpower because you’re going to go out there. You’re going to market yourself in a way that feels true to you. You’re not going to care. And the people are going to take notice. You just become so powerful when you don’t put up with any crap. And this is especially true. Even as an adult, I just find this interesting. There are people that still care what their parents think about them. And so when you can break that illusion of needing approval, you’re absolutely powerful. It just goes across the board, every area of your life. When you know yourself, that is your superpower.

Brett Dupree:

We are coming to the end of our time together. One thing I like to ask I guess, is to do a one minute of motivation. You can imagine, you can imagine this as if you have a time machine going back to your eight year old self and you want to convey everything. You need to live a happy and joyful life, but unfortunately you only have a minute until you’re pop back into the future. Or you can think of it as condensing your entire life’s mission purpose into a minute. So are you ready?

Heather Picken:

Let’s go start. I want to talk about failure and vision and why these are important concepts to master. The only way you’re going to move forward is to look at failure as data. First, you must analyze what went wrong and why have reflective awareness. When you can do this, you free yourself from that mental prison of your mind. You, you also give yourself permission to jump to the next level in your consciousness and in your business. That next level gives you the insight, wisdom, and resilience to align with solutions and receive bigger opportunities. There’s no success without failure. And the secret to being successful is being both flexible and resilient. Having a crystal clear vision will help you through the toughest times. You will attract the right people and resources like magic. Also having a vision that is of service will redirect your fear. And so it’s really wise to have a vision that inspires you, be in the flow with your vision. And as you do this, the time and space becomes non-existent and you will see that the journey and the destination become one.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I very much enjoyed listening to your story of how you started out with a poor mindset thinking that you’re stupid because you’re dyslexia and also having anorexia, which I’m sure it was very tough and hard, but you’re able to turn that around into bodybuilding and exercise and using the power of visualization change, not only your body, but your mind to the point where you’re able to turn your life around truly Excel. And then to turn that around, to even help more people do the same to get out of their own way is very inspiring. So thank you so much for everything you do. And thank you so much for being on my podcast.

Heather Picken:

Thank you so much,

Brett Dupree:

May your day be special.

Inspirational Life Coach Brett Dupree (266 Posts)

Internationally certified life coach through inviteCHANGE, Brett Dupree envisions a powerful future in which people live in pure joy. He believes that there is a great transformation just around the corner and he coaches people on how to use passion and inspiration to ride the powerful wave of awakening that is sweeping this world. Brett has dedicated his life to the study of personal empowerment. He believes that real lasting change comes from changing from the inside out. Working with you one-on-one, Brett helps you listen to your inner voice to reach your goals with passion, inspiration and ease . He creates a sacred space that allows you clients to bask in the joy of creation. He will help you find peace and balance in their lives so you can transform yourself into a self leader. Using the power of intentions, the Law of Attraction and his deep loving powerful heart he helps his clients gain miraculous results.


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