Joyous Expansion Podcast Transcript Travis Wingfield – Getting Your Dream Job By Hard Work and Pursuing Your Passions

Brett Dupree:

Hello, Travis. And welcome to my podcast.

Travis Wingfield:

Hey Brett. Thanks for having me. It’s been a long time coming. I’m glad to be joining you.

Brett Dupree:

I am excited to have you on, why don’t you tell the listeners a little bit of who you are?

Travis Wingfield:

So my name is Travis. I work for the Miami Dolphins, which is crazy to hear me say out loud, still to this day, I pretty much tried to find my way into the football media landscape for the first 30 or so years of my life. Didn’t really have much success with that, but eventually started finding niche projects to do and got myself into this position, which I’m sure you and I will go over Brett. So I worked for the Dolphins, but I live out by where you are in Washington state. We are moving later this month to South Florida to make that full time, jump into that job. And I’m looking forward to that. I live at home now with my wife and my one-month-old daughter. So things are going pretty good for us out here, despite all the chaos of 2020.

Brett Dupree:

Yeah. It’s been very exciting. Something I don’t talk about much on my, on my podcast because it was all about personal development and people’s lives is that I am a gigantic dolphin fan watching Travis go from somebody who was just like me. Some idiot on a bulletin board to talking to the Miami Dolphins has been a wild ride and has been really fun, cheering them along the way. So let’s start at the beginning back when you were just like me irregular, nobody talking about the Miami Dolphins on bulletin board, you always wanted to get into this was your dream was to get into sports broadcasting or something along those lines.

Travis Wingfield:

It’s a dream that I would say was more of like a delayed dream or maybe one of those dreams that you just never really considered pursuing seriously. I mean, you mentioned, you know, being a nobody, I mean, I’m still a, nobody, let’s be honest. No one knows who I am. But as far as pursuing the actual dream itself, it was something that I always just thought was one of those things, like almost like an athlete, you know, like you’re not going to play professional football, Travis, you weigh 150 pounds. Like you’re not going to play football for a living. I just thought you didn’t get yourself into that position. When I was 16 years old, I took my first ever gig. I guess, if you want to call it, it wasn’t paid. But I got to write about the Dolphins and that’s what I loved to do.

Travis Wingfield:

I was so fascinated by the game of football and I loved the written word and storytelling. So I really wanted to get into it at that time. And that’s when I did join those message boards that you and I were both so active on back in those days, Brett, when message boards were a little more popular than they are now took my first ever gig with, I think it was actually the finsider, which is a bit of irony because I don’t have a good relationship with the finsider right now. I think that’s what it was back when I was 16 years old. And I’ll never forget my first article writing about Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams, the two running backs that shared the backfield there in Miami. It’s just kind of, I guess, progressed from there. And there were plenty of stops along the way, but yeah, back when I was in high school, that’s I wanted to be in sports somehow and the Dolphins were my favorite teams. So that kind of narrowed the focus, but I don’t think it was ever something I really thought could happen. You know,

Brett Dupree:

He started this at 16 of writing. Did you go to college for writing at all or did you just keep on going, what was your path like

Travis Wingfield:

The problem With my adolescents, I suppose, was that I just didn’t really have the motivation or the drive to really capitalize on what high school is. And so I didn’t take my grades seriously. I didn’t take education seriously. I went to a junior college after high school, but I had never had any intentions of taking it seriously. And so after a semester or two, I dropped out and started working really low-end jobs that just were taking me nowhere at the time I was going into general studies. I, like I said, I had, I had no focus on what I wanted to do. Writing was something that I just did on the message boards in my spare time for fun. It’s what I enjoyed to do. And I will get there eventually, I suppose, here. But at that time it wasn’t really in my mind, no.

Brett Dupree:

What was the next step? Because one thing I remember from the early days, one thing that generally set you apart from other people posting is you started to actually look at tape. You started to make little gifs and you started to do those things. What got you into actually trying to break down the game of football

Travis Wingfield:

That started to come a little bit later. I would say the next step was continuing on that message board with you, Brett. And the remember those little badges we had where it was like premium member or columnist or draft guru. I was so intrigued by getting these online notes of like certification, so to speak. And I remember when they, I can’t remember it was finheaven or thephins.com first said, do you want to write for the front page? And I was like, wow, this is, you know, this is my home. This is like my sanctuary. And now they want me to be like on the face of it. I thought it was so cool. And so I did that and I really started to focus my writing on being grammatically correct, or at least spelling words. Right. And not taking the, you know, shortcuts of texts like you would with your buddies when you’re texting on the phone.

Travis Wingfield:

I took it really seriously then, but you mentioned getting into the film stuff that didn’t really start in earnest until 2016. When Sam from also the message boards, the host of the perfectVille podcast for the Miami Dolphins fan podcast, he had reached out to me about writing for his website in 2016. And that’s kind of where the journey began. If you want me to go into the film stuff now, or you want to continue on that path that I guess that’s up to you.

Brett Dupree:

Let’s continued to up the path.

Travis Wingfield:

Yeah, it was 2016. When Sam reached out and said, Hey, we’re looking to get a written portion for perfectVille. The welcome to perfectville podcast. We want to have a website. And as you know, now, Brett, how just almost, I guess, psychopathic, I am about how diligent and how much work I want to produce.

Travis Wingfield:

I was the same way then. And so he asked me to write one article a week and that turned into five articles a week because I just loved doing it so much. And then from there I started listening to their podcast and thought, you know, I’ve always been a big fan of like am sports radio. And I lived in Seattle back when I was really into it, listened to Brock and Salk. And I listened to those three programs back to back to back every day at work. When I lived there, I kind of drew on that experience and talked to Sam and Chris, the host of the perfectVille podcast, and thought I could do this. It would be fun to do. And I think a new audio platform would be fun for me to do. And so I reached out to Kevin Dern, who also from the message board once again, and he agreed to do the podcast with me and we started a podcast called the Finalysis a horrible pun, I know, but we wanted to be different in the way that you podcasts tend to be a little more easy-going lighthearted and can be a little bit more entertaining, but we really wanted to bring that, but also focus on the details of football because we thought that that was a space that was lacking in podcast and sports podcast in particular. And so that vision really kind of sparked my Twitter presence, which at the time I think I had a hundred or 200 followers and I saw that people were tweeting, but there’s not really much of a film presence, a video presence where people can break downplays. And I’m actually looking at my Twitter deck right now, my tweet deck right now, I’m looking at two consecutive tweets where someone’s breaking down video. So I don’t know if it grew from there, like just in the general sphere, but at that time nobody was doing it.

Travis Wingfield:

And I knew that there was personally for me, I wanted to see it with my eyes and visualize it, but also hear someone talk about it and kind of get those two points of contact in terms of teaching me the game. And I was so intrigued by football and just 22 of the world’s greatest athletes playing the biggest game of chess, just, just always has really brought my attention to the game. And so those two things coming together and the pursuit of trying to get my name out there, once I realized that podcasting was a thing, and there were so many Dolphins, podcasts and different Dolphins fans on Twitter that had these followings. It just, it all kind of at once hit me that I wanted to focus my attention on this potential career, I guess, hobby at the time now as turn career.

Brett Dupree:

I wonder if the Dolphins just have more pun-based podcasts than any other team. I’m curious about that transition from kind of sounded like at the beginning, you’re kind of just coasting through life, not really putting a focus on it, but something about just working on this really sounds like something really clicked what clicked to make you want to really be diligent and work very hard on it.

Travis Wingfield:

I think you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head. And I think that passion is the only word that can really accurately describe it. And I think that’s so important in life is just to, if you don’t love what you do, Brett, how are you ever going to do the best job you could possibly do? Because, you know, you mentioned kind of coasting through life. I’ve had jobs that were peers, your X amount of dollars per month, and you can earn commissions on top of that. And that was always like kind of the grabber that brought you in was, Oh, if I work this hard and I can see this through, and then three or four months into the job, you realize you hate doing it. So you’re not motivated if you’re not motivated by money to do it, then you find yourself just kind of waffling and falling into this pattern of complacency.

Travis Wingfield:

And I didn’t want that for myself. And the older I got, the more I realized that my past, not transgressions, but past laziness, I suppose really bred this life that I didn’t want to live. I thought if I’m going to make a change in my life, it’s going to have to be something that I’m super passionate about. And so the writing aspect of things like there was, I’ve probably conceived twenty-five novel ideas, Brett, I probably conceive 25 script ideas or television shows. Like I always knew there was something creative and writing and something that could just really challenge my brain and kind of makes me my own boss, I guess, type of job. And those things never came to fruition. And then the podcast came about. And so you marry this desire to be creative and this desire to put pen to paper as it were with this passion for the game of football, those two things just collided. And this light went off. This is what I’m supposed to be doing and not wasting my time doing restoration or working for a staffing agency or working in insurance, all these different jobs that I worked that just never, ever resonated with me. And the minute I realized what I wanted to do in football, it was, I mean, it was a hundred miles an hour full steam ahead.

Brett Dupree:

Things weren’t going your way. Sometimes it happens as you pursue your passion was that passion was really just kept you going.

Travis Wingfield:

Yeah. I mean, it’s, I think it’s like anything, I would assume not having the knowledge of other industries, but this is a, you just go on Twitter right now and you can find people that are trying to crack into it. You mentioned all the podcast puns, there’s gotta be 50 Dolphins podcast out there that I’ve heard of. Even not, that’s not the ones that are just kind of doing their own thing. You have to really kind of carve out this niche role in this capacity or this industry that makes you stand out. And I think the desire to do that and to really get the recognition that I thought that I deserved at the time and also that passion to just keep going. Cause we can talk about it. There was countless letdowns along the way that I was just like, man, what am I doing? Because I was working jobs while I started this. And then at one point, I wasn’t working and I was just focusing on that. And at that time when I would face adversity that man that’s when times would get difficult sometimes. But yeah, the passion was really what fueled me to just kinda persevere.

Brett Dupree:

Are you willing to talk about one of those things that knocked you down and how you got yourself back up?

Travis Wingfield:

Yeah, certainly it’s actually kind of funny how full circle it comes because I was doing the podcast with what’s called locked on Dolphins. It’s part of the locked on podcast network and they have every sport. Every team has a host. It’s basically like a local podcast. That’s the idea is to replace am Radio was kind of the mission statement. I loved that job. I love doing it at the same. It was a nice side hustle. If, if that’s what we’re going to call it, it wasn’t something that would bring home family raising type of income or something that I could support myself on. Even for the rest of my life. It was just at, at the time I had the time and a little bit of extra money to get me through that time so I could try it. And so I was always trying to extend myself to other opportunities.

Travis Wingfield:

I applied for an assistant job to Andy Benoit of sports illustrated, who was really into the X’s and O’s. And I got myself up into this finalist stage of these like spreadsheets. He was having us breakdown and I thought I was going to get it. And I got runner up and didn’t get the job. And I was like, man, that was my end. That was my chance to really break into the industry. And then about a year later, my buddy Antwan who wrote for Dolphins wired.com, he was leaving that gig and he had recommended me to take over for him. I took that to mean that I was going to get that job. And so I was talking to my wife about next steps because if we’re going to do a Dolphins website and a Dolphins podcast, and I want to continue to grow this, maybe it’s time to think about relocating and get local so I can more access to the team.

Travis Wingfield:

And so these life changes were kind of starting to click in my head. And then last minute at the 25th hour, it turned out I didn’t get the job once that happened. It was so difficult to pick myself up off the mat and say, you got to keep going. And I think one of the things that did keep me going was I became so obsessed with the routine of it. You know, the routine of publishing a podcast and an article every day, Monday through Friday, because I have so many loyal people that have supported me on social media and fans of the podcast that write in and ask questions and retweet the podcast and all these things. It almost became like, I didn’t want to let those people down. And so I found strength and courage in my support system. If that makes sense like I was able to really make myself overcome this adversity based upon what other people had done for me. Like, does that make sense? I guess I’m trying to articulate as best I can.

Brett Dupree:

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Having a good support system comes up over and over on my podcast on how people keep ongoing. This is just one thing that’s curious for me as somebody who took a while, getting used to listening to his own voice, how did you get through that? Or did you always want to be an entertainer? How did you create your persona? What do you do to like pump yourself up editing? Which I hate, but I still do because how do you get through that?

Travis Wingfield:

The voice thing is funny. Like I still think my voice isn’t made for radio or podcasts, which I mean is hilarious to think about, but I pretty much didn’t listen to myself at first there for a while, but after a while it’s, I mean, it’s like anything else. I think once you do enough, you get used to it. As you know, Brett listened to the podcast regular basis, it is high octane. It is high energy. There are so many things I thought about when it came to being an on-air personality, which, you know, I guess that’s, that’s what I am. You know, this podcast was supposed to be X’s and O’s, and this kind of doldrums of here’s a big lesson, you know, it’s like a class. I can’t present that in the same tone, the same monotone and expect to have people want to come back because no matter how good the information is if you’re not entertaining, then what good does it do?

Travis Wingfield:

Like what you hear on the podcast is my personality. And I saw so many different ways that I guess you’re supposed to approach it. Like here’s how you’re supposed to act in this situation. Or here is how you can get more followers or more listeners by doing this thing. And there were so many avenues and detours where I’m thinking, okay, if I focus more on this, then I can grab that audience and bring them in. The more I did it. And the longer I did it, I realized if I’m not going to be genuine, if I’m not going to be myself, then there’s no way that this can ever be sustainable because then you’re just lying to yourself and you’re lying to your audience. And so I thought super energetic. I completely rely on the enthusiasm and I don’t really take criticism all that well or maybe negative feedback and all these things that I had to kind of do some, some introspective searching within myself to find out who I was and what it was that made me tick, made me really realize that if I’m not going to be myself on this podcast, it’s not going to work.

Travis Wingfield:

Everything you hear on locked on Dolphins. And now on the DriveTime podcast is genuine. Like that’s a hundred percent me. There’s absolutely fibbing, no filler. I might stretch the truth on a story or two, just to give it some more lifelike a comedian would write. But other than that, it’s the genuine article. I didn’t want to be this public-facing person. And I guess that’s kind of what the aim is to be in South Florida, at least locally, if I wasn’t going to be myself. And so that was, I guess, part of the entire introspective process was just be yourself, man, if they like you, they like you. If they don’t, then that’s fine too.

Brett Dupree:

Let’s get to the point where you start working for the Dolphins. Tell the story, how you got that job.

Travis Wingfield:

Yeah, it’s pretty crazy. So back in 2018, they, at least it became knowledge to me. I think it was the first year they did it. They used to have this thing called web weekend where they would invite different fan websites or I guess podcasts as it became more popular, different blogs and stuff like that to come down for a weekend, you got to like do a whole seminar and meet the other website guys and go to a game and cover a game in person there. They changed that a couple years back to where you could get two games per site according. Or like if depending on the website you could get two games and two tickets to each game to cover a game professionally. And so for someone that like you Brett grew up a diehard fan of the team to have the idea that I can go to a game and cover it from the press box and go into the locker room and ask at the time Adam Gase, Ryan Tannehill a question about the game.

Travis Wingfield:

It was pretty surreal. And so they invited me down, did two of those games made tons of connections. And that was very, very valuable as the networking and just people saying I’m a big fan of the podcast. It’s cool that they got you down here. And again, that positive reinforcement was just so, so beneficial to me. And then last year, 2019 did the same thing. And then the real big turning point for me in my career, Brett was last year’s training camp. I must have made the decision six or seven times back and forth that I was going and that I wasn’t going because I was going to flip my own airfare, my own lodging rental car, all these things that I had to do to get to South Florida from Washington state, mind you for 10, 12 days and go to practice every single day and cover these practices because the way I perceived it was I can bring to these training camp reports, which are, people, want them so much online on Twitter.

Travis Wingfield:

And I think I can bring what I do on the podcast and the website to these training camp. And so I’m going to take advantage of that. Really get my name out there, because this is when Dolphins fans, football fans are most intrigued right at the start of the season. Optimism is springing eternal, all that fun stuff. And so I thought let’s get down there, let’s cover it. And I finally made the decision, like I have to go it’s, I’m going to do it. If it sucks, it’s going to suck. If not great. I got down there and it’s really funny like here, this is kind of a tangent, but the first time I got down there, my wife and I booked the Airbnb for, let’s say July 25th. And I arrived on the night of July 24th, but it was past midnight. And so it was technically July 25th and I get to my room and it’s a hotel, but it’s an Airbnb within the hotel.

Travis Wingfield:

And I get to my room and it’s not cleaned. It’s not, it hasn’t been treated, and come to find out, I arrive one day too early. And I also found out that day that my, I was going to school at the same time I finished my four-year degree, actually just recently the person whose house I was staying in, when I would go to school, he backed out. And so like, I had all these things that were collapsing around and I thought, what another one of those moments, like, what am I doing? Why am I down here away from my wife watching these football practices? Like, what is this going to benefit me? And so I get down there and it’s a terrible start, but then the moment I get to practice the next morning, it’s just like, okay, this is what I was supposed to be doing.

Travis Wingfield:

So I go out there, I cover these 10 days worth of practice. And I actually got myself credentialed for the practices just by kind of getting my face there. And that got me access to players that got me so much notoriety on Twitter. I was gaining hundreds and hundreds of followers every day and podcast downloads and locked on Dolphins was the number one football podcast in the entire network. And it was just exploding in popularity. And I had sent an email earlier in the summer to one of the Dolphins, people that works in communications and said, Hey, like I see this not void, but this area of opportunity for the Dolphins to expand their media coverage internally. And I think that I could be a good asset for you. And I laid out all of these reasons and it just really approached it from the same way I approached my own podcast and my own website, just self-starter being persistent and really going after what you want a hundred miles an hour with no excuses.

Travis Wingfield:

And if I’m, if I’m going to chase this dream, I’m going to do it all the way. And if I fail, I fail. So that was my approach for that. Eventually, I get that email return. I get a phone call with someone that was important in the organization. When I come back to the games that I covered at the stadium and the press box, a few months later, I got a chance to meet some of these people that I was talking to. And then we came back down for another game in December later that year had breakfast with this very important person. And he sat down with me and said, so you ready to do this? Or what? And I was like, Oh, like, I didn’t know. This was the actual like interview or like accepting of the job, but back right around Christmas time December, I got that offer. And it’s been mind-blowing ever since.

Brett Dupree:

Yeah. Congratulations. I remember celebrating that on thephins.com. Thank you. So cool. What was it like that first interview with that first famous football player?

Travis Wingfield:

Well, luckily I had a chance to kind of warm-up to it at first, you know, cause being down there for practice and the games earlier, they actually got me an exclusive interview with Davon Godshaux my first day at practice. And that was, you can hear it when I would post the videos. Like if I would play the audio on the podcast, you could hear the stuttering of my questions or use kind of, that’s something that a new reporter will use kind of, you kind of had some, you know, good plays out there. You kind of did this and that. You can just tell how nervous I was at first. So, man, it took a long time. Like those first two games in 2018, the first game in the locker room, I was pretty standoffish. Wasn’t really aggressive and approaching interviews. The second game, the following Sunday, I was like, okay, I’ve been here.

Travis Wingfield:

I head in there and don’t chicken out basically. So I did that, but then we come back into 2019 and it’s the whole process had to start over again. So I was nervous, not really aggressive, but just like anything else you do, Amanda, the more you do it, the more comfortable you get, the more reps you get, it’s just become second nature. But that first one, it was nerve-wracking, especially when I got on the Dolphins network because I think it was Christian Wilkins. I told you I thrive on enthusiasm. Right? So he answers the phone. They were gone to this conference call and the online and he up and I’m like, Oh, there’s Christian Wilkins. That’s awesome. Like, I love that guy. And then he’s like, Hey, what’s up? And I’m like, Oh, he doesn’t want to be here. You know, you start all the self-doubt starts to creep in, but after like a question or two he’s as bubbly self once again and I’m Oh, I just was being too hard on myself.

Brett Dupree:

So this is something that I’d like to ask people. Who’s made it somewhere. How do you deal with the fraud phenomenon? That idea of like, do I really deserve to be here?

Travis Wingfield:

Oh, buddy, that is a can of worms. You mentioned like the football breakdowns told ya. I’m not a big guy whatsoever. Not a football player. I’ve played. I think the last time I played football was in the eighth grade. So there is this misconception by people that think that if you didn’t play the game to a certain point, you can’t possibly have knowledge of the game. And so you didn’t know it’s football is a complex game. You got 22 guys doing 22 jobs and moving in 22 directions. And so I watched these cut-ups. I’d had this idea in my mind that I knew what I was talking about. And I would watch somebody else who I know knows a lot more than I do do it. I’m like, man, am I an impostor here? Am I making any sense when I do these? So it’s something you think about all the time and I, maybe it’s just something that you become more and more comfortable with over time because it’s still there Brett.

Travis Wingfield:

Like I, I still think about it. Why am I the lucky one that gets to be in this position? And you know, why can’t they just pick someone else? I mean, I’ve thought about it, but I guess it’s just something you kind of try to put in the back of your mind because you can’t dwell on that kind of stuff because you know, being a public-facing figure like we mentioned, you’re going to get some feedback that you’re not going to like, and you’re going to get some people that tell you, you don’t know what you’re talking about. And if you let that really creep into your mind and kind of overwhelm you, then that’s what’s going to happen.

Brett Dupree:

So what’s been your favorite part about this job?

Travis Wingfield:

Definitely the access, the access to the team. And I’ll be able to expand on that probably more once we actually if you know, if we have football this year and if we when we finally get regular circumstances for media like I’m going to have an office inside the building where the Dolphins practice. Like if I told my 16-year-old self that I would be like, no, no, that’s, that’s not something that actually happens to people. You know? So I definitely just being around the team and being at practice every day and going to every game and team hotel, team charter, it’s just, it’s crazy to think about. And I still haven’t experienced all the way, so I don’t think I can properly appreciate it yet, but I plan to

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. Well, definitely should do something to celebrate you. It’s a great accomplishment. There’s a lot of people out there who want that in. You did it, man. That’s awesome.

Travis Wingfield:

It means a lot, especially from, you know, like I said, the support system, all the people that at thephins and finheaven that were, you know, always providing a platform for me to have these debates and to expand my knowledge. I mean, I talk about it on Twitter all the time. CKParrot, you know, Chris Kauffman he’s, you know who he is. I mean, the guy’s an absolute freaking whiz and he knows so much football. So to learn from guys like that and to just sharpen my writing skills, I mean, it wasn’t even the classroom, like it was a message board I would learn. And I would read off these people that did know more than I did, and I would learn how to write off that. And so it’s one of those things where, you know, the village raised you. So to speak,

Brett Dupree:

Yeah, standing on the shoulders of giants, we are coming towards the end of our time together. And one thing I like to ask my guests is do a one minute and motivation. You can imagine this is if you have a time machine and you’re traveling back to your eight-year-old self and you want to convey everything that eight-year-old self needs to know to live a happy joy-filled life. But unfortunately, you have a minute until you’re back into the future, or you can think of it as taking your life’s message and condensing it down to a minute. So are you ready?

Travis Wingfield:

Let’s go. Okay. So talking to my eight-year-old self, I would, I would definitely insist on pursuing passion and finding something that means more to you than anything else in terms of what makes you happy and be self-fulfilling in that way and do things that make you happy and put yourself first. Because if you don’t put the right emphasis on certain things you have to accomplish in your life, then you’re not going to be able to make those next steps. And then one day you might realize like I did that. You’re living a life that you don’t want to live. Every person I believe is capable of pursuing something that they have a talent in and achieving it. If they are willing to do what it takes to do that. I think that if we have to identify that and then we have to make a plan, establish it, put it in place, and then attack it relentlessly and be willing to work harder than everybody else. Be willing to put yourself out there and be willing to ask questions to people that you respect and have more knowledge of your field or of your study or whatever it might be. And just, I cannot put enough emphasis on relentlessly pursue your dreams and your hopes and your desires. And that’s true of all walks of life, whether it’s professionally or relationships and all these things you do just do it with passion, do it with excitement, be persistent, and love what you do.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I was super excited to have you on, as I followed your career since you were, I think 17 on a message board watching you grow through all these years has been a treat. So listening to your actual story has been awesome for me on how you were someone who started out as lazy. But finally, one day really started putting the work in once finding the passion and continuing to go through it, pushing through to a point of, and taking the big leap of going to down to Miami. When a lot of people probably wouldn’t do that, asking for that job for your position. If you don’t ask the answer is no. And you ask them the answer turned out to be yes, and now you’re on there and that’s just exciting to listen to. So thank you so much for sharing your inspirational story on my podcast and thank you for your amazing dolphin interviews.

Travis Wingfield:

Thanks for having me, Brett. I really appreciate it, man. Awesome. Mayor Davis special.

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Hello, Divina. And welcome to my podcast.

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Brett Dupree:

Thank you for being on, give the audience a brief introduction to what you do.

Divina Caballo:

So my name is Divina. I’m the founder of Free Spirit Academy. What I do is I help heart-centered entrepreneurs get results in their business. And what I see is the number one reason why entrepreneurs are not succeeding with the abundance that they want is because of subconscious blocks. A lot of us know how to do affirmations visualizations and do manifestation tools from a conscious level. But what I’m seeing is I’m getting to know it now is that more and more people are starting to realize that the way you manifest abundance all comes from the subconscious level. As much as 90% comes from that level in terms of blocks that we have and negative beliefs. So basically I help heal the subconscious and I also help activate the superconscious for higher creativity in your business.

Brett Dupree:

Sounds exciting. So was there a time in your life where you had these unconscious beliefs that were holding you back?

Divina Caballo:

Absolutely. I had a lot of issues with abundance. Like everybody else, you know, a lot of people watch the movie, The Secret. A lot of people also started to manifest with daily affirmations, goal setting, visualizing things as they were here. I did get some results, but not the results that I wanted. And I also, when I was in my early twenties, I had blocks. I didn’t know what my life purpose was. I didn’t know what my mission was here on the planet. I started doing these superconscious activations with something called Ascension activations by this man that I think that the universe attracted to me. And as I did them, I unlocked my creativity and I didn’t even know I was a clothing designer. I started to design, I started also receiving messages that I was here to be a coat and a healer and all of these things were great.

Divina Caballo:

And then I realized, well, why isn’t it taking off financially? Like I want it to then I realized it was the subconscious. I came across a lot of information out there and I came across how to unblock your subconscious. And once I did that, and I didn’t realize that you could instantly unblock the subconscious and put in a new thought or belief in your subconscious. And once you do that, then you have your full, what I call the Holy Trinity of manifestation. You’re manifesting from the conscious mind, which is basically only 10% of your results. And you’re also manifesting from the subconscious mind by clearing it and putting in mindsets of abundance. And also you’re activating the superconscious mind, which is activating your creativity, your life purpose, your hidden talents. And so I also was told I channeled spirit, and I was told that I was meant to find these different aspects of healing, the three minds, and really teach that to people and help people become more powerful in their manifestation. So that’s where I’m at now is helping people heal. The three minds. It’s really kind of like the Holy Trinity of manifestation. What I call it.

Brett Dupree:

What were some of the unconscious beliefs that were holding you back?

Divina Caballo:

Well, I think that a lot of the main ones of subconscious beliefs that we have are things like I’m not good enough. I’m not worthy enough. I don’t deserve a lot of money. I don’t think it’ll ever happen because why would it happen to me? It’s been that long. I don’t trust myself. There’s no such thing as God, God doesn’t want me to be rich. So why would it happen? And all these things on the conscious level, most of us aren’t even aware that these things are here. Not even aware, we’re writing our goals, we’re doing as entrepreneurs or business owners or people who want to manifest more money. We’re not even aware of where we write our goals. Okay. I want to make six figures. I want to make seven figures. I want to make eight-figures. Whatever that goal is, we write that goal and we would never think, Oh, I’m not worthy. Or I don’t believe in God or any of these things. This is like deep, deep in the subconscious. Many of us can have an idea of some of them, but a lot of them are, these programs are deeply embedded in the subconscious. Those are the really common ones. I don’t trust myself. I’m not good enough. I’m not worthy enough. And I don’t deserve money. Those are really big ones, but really we have literally hundreds of subconscious blocks.

Brett Dupree:

When you started removing your subconscious blocks, what changes did you start seeing in your life?

Divina Caballo:

Oh gosh, when I started a big one for me, I didn’t trust myself in my business. I knew I was really talented in my designs. I really talented as a life coach, but it didn’t really fully trust me or really trusted God. And when I removed that lock with other ones as well, I remember I did a big healing session, and then it was interesting because I attracted two millionaires that gave me a tip of $1,500 back to back. It was one month and the other one, it was a $300 healing session. And they both took me that never happened. Nobody ever tipped me, you know, $1,500 ever meeting. And I was just shocked that I could actually remove a block. And then all of a sudden attract two millionaires and it was one month after the other. So it was almost like the universe was kind of winking at me, you know, let’s do it again.

Divina Caballo:

It was pretty interesting. And I also, my branding also changed. I remember I had a very confusing branding and as soon as I changed the not trusting myself, the branding was clear. I attracted more people because I felt like I presented myself in a much more confident way in a much clearer way. I kid you not. I was not advertising at all. I must have attracted maybe 30 people during a 60 day period, no advertising whatsoever. All they did was talk to me and say, who are you? What do you do? And how are you going to help me? And this never happened to me before I was spending thousands of dollars. It must have been $10,000 on marketing with very little success. And here I am with no marketing attracting people out of nowhere, simply because they feel my energy of confidence, my worth my sense of passion for life, just because of my presence. That’s the power of changing the subconscious mind. And not only that, because I also activate the superconscious of the creativity as well, that added at all a lot as well.

Brett Dupree:

What exactly is the superconscious mind?

Divina Caballo:

The Superconscious mind A lot of people aren’t aware of it. The superconscious mind has to do a lot with dreams, receiving information. A lot of people in the spiritual world called channeling. Channeling is actually more common than you think everybody channels. Everybody is here to channel their life purpose. A lot of us are blocked as channels. A lot of people who don’t know their life purpose yet, or you hear about writer’s block. People say I can’t write right now. That is a block in the superconscious mind. We were always receiving information from our soul, our higher self, and God, the way you activate the superconscious is you heightened the vibration. I do transmissions of energy and I call in a lot of activations of things called light bodies that we have that most people don’t even know about. What that does is really activates your creativity and creativity is nothing but channeling of your soul and your higher self.

Divina Caballo:

And I think coupled with unblocking your abundance, aligning yourself with a superconscious mind, that is really your higher wisdom. You really have a formula for success because you’re not only manifesting higher abundance by unblocking, the superconscious, but you’re also aligned with what you came here to do on the planet, your passion, your mission at a higher level than you ever even dreamed of. I’m really excited because these are things that a lot of people don’t know, and I’m here to awaken as many people as I can. And really what I’m doing is awakening the planet. This is really a formula for enlightenment. Can I tell you a little secret, actually? I hook people by telling people that I’m going to give them results, that I’m going to manifest higher abundance and that’s all great. But what I really really realize is that the real secret is enlightenment.

Divina Caballo:

That we’re really here to become the best version of ourselves. And once you do that, everything else manifests, and this is the work that we’re all here on the planet to do is to clear the subconscious of negative blocks and activate the superconscious, use our conscious mind to manifest all of this. And that’s really awakening to a higher level of enlightenment. A lot of people also talk about there’s a quote in the Bible, I think to seek the kingdom of God and all things will come to you. And that’s really what I’m about. You want to manifest great things in your life, seek the highest version of you, which is the enlightened version of yourself.

Brett Dupree:

So what was it like in your life when you first started to release your superconscious?

Divina Caballo:

When I was in my late teens, I remember I was late teens, early twenties. I remember it was really difficult because I didn’t know my life purpose. I didn’t know why I was here. I was looking for announcer. I was desperate. Why am I here? What is the purpose of life? And my vibration at the time was really low. And it’s all activating the superconscious, all about vibration, enhancing your vibration. As I started to do that with healing energy, calling in energy, and higher levels of activation of vibration, it was really profound. There are these things called seven levels of initiation and enlightenment, which means the higher you go, the more your vibration gets higher. And the more you’re open to the superconscious channeling of the superconscious mind. And I talked to spirit was in my early twenties. I became a fourth-degree initiate and there are seven levels of it.

Divina Caballo:

As I broke through the fourth level, it was so interesting. It went from almost no creativity to a burst of channeling songs, channeling clothing designs. It was the most bizarre thing. My hand would move on its own. I would just write, draw. I literally have a stack of like hundreds of designs now, maybe eight sketchbooks that weren’t there before. I wasn’t a clothing designer. I couldn’t draw, I would have creativity, but this was just an avalanche of creativity. Once I activated conscious it was like a miracle. How is it that I just don’t have anything? And all of a sudden I’m channeling clothing and I would meditate. And I would, clairvoyantly see ready-made clothing in my third eye. I would wake up in the middle of the night at three o’clock in the morning because I had 12 pieces in my head. And if I didn’t draw it, I would forget about it.

Divina Caballo:

Sometimes my hand would move on its own and I was just mesmerized. Like, how is this all happening right now? You know, it was just pretty miraculous activating the superconscious. And also I wasn’t able to talk to spirit to my spiritual guides. I didn’t have that before and now intuition is really strong and now I can talk to my higher self better. And before my intuition wasn’t there, it was pretty miraculous. And it’s pretty exciting because I know that a lot of us don’t know what our life purpose is. And I can help people with that, with this kind of energy healing that I discovered.

Brett Dupree:

If I am understanding correctly. You kind of do a two-prong approach where you unlock the superconscious, which allows the creativity spirit to move in and the purpose, and then you remove the unconscious blocks. So when those do come in, you’re more able to put that into action and go forward in your life instead of just hanging in great idea and sitting on it.

Divina Caballo:

Exactly. Yeah, I did get certified in the conscious mind as well. I did a lot. I did get certified as a lot of attraction coach those work well too. And I do have a bonus section if you never knew how to manifest on the conscious level if you never knew tools on how to visualize how to manifest. And I do those and those work. Great. It’s a great addition. It’s something for your mind to do daily. I do have a bonus section in my program with that as well. I’m approaching it from a holistic level. My goal is to help the planet understand that it’s not just from the conscious level, it’s the Holy Trinity of manifestation because we have three minds and we have to address all of it from a holistic standpoint. Yeah, that’s what I kind of discovered. I kind of want to tell you a little bit of a story about all of this.

Divina Caballo:

It’s kind of mesmerizing in my early twenties, I was guided by spirit to a book by now my godfather, he passed away 2005. I was told a few years ago. I didn’t know it at the time when I was a teenager, I was told a few years ago I was always meant to meet him. And that was always meant to bump into his book and my late teens and his name was dr. Joshua. And I realize if you just, not too long ago, I have known him for like 20, I don’t know, 20 years now that I’ve been practicing his work. I looked up online and I realized that he was born on my birthday. That was really shocking because I was so attracted to his work. My jaw dropped. It was just like, wow. And I was also told that I had a past lifetime with him in Egypt is a very long time ago.

Divina Caballo:

He was actually a famous Egyptian wise ascended master. He passed on, on somebody else’s birthday. That was really important, who was his wife in that lifetime? And she was teaching me about the subconscious and it was interesting that he was born on my birthday, passed on her birthday. The story doesn’t end there. Actually, I met my twin flame who was actually born the day he passed. What I was told is that we all came here together from that lifetime in Egypt. My mission here is to carry on his legacy because he passed and I’ve been practicing his Ascension activation works of activating the superconscious for 20 years now. So a master of it, a master healer of it, I’m also now practicing the subconscious, which I was also guided from. So these two high-level initiates were guided to me and I was supposed to put all the pieces together and teach it this way.

Divina Caballo:

It’s pretty interesting. I was actually told that I was the incarnation of Hathor, which is the goddess of love, beauty, and dance. Joshua was a past life of Osiris. And my godmother, Sandra was a past life of Isis. And it was, it’s very interesting. I was actually wanting to vomit when I heard all this because it sounds so out of space. You know, I always thought that these gods were enlightened beings and unreachable, but it’s interesting how we all get incarnated. And we all have our flaws. My twin flame has his flaws. I’m working through my own things and we’re all human. And the reality is we’re all enlightened. We’re all incarnations of God here coming in here. So when I see it’s incredibly humbling that everybody’s divine, but everybody has their flaws, you know? So it’s interesting.

Brett Dupree:

So what does it look like working with you?

Divina Caballo:

I wanted to launch a five-day challenge for everybody on Facebook live. And that’s really exciting because I get to unblock for free anywhere from five to 10 abundance blocks, it’ll be on Facebook Live. And maybe for 30 to 40 minutes a day, I do a transmission of healing energy, and I unblock the major subconscious abundance blocks. So you can get your life going and it’s going to be so amazing because you get to learn the system of how I teach it on top of that. You get a little taste of how it works of the healing journey that I do. And if you like that at the end, if you could set up a call with me and see if you wanted to work for longer, I work anywhere from three months to a year to 24 months. If you’d like to do that.

Brett Dupree:

Any fun success stories?

Divina Caballo:

any fun success stories. Gosh. Oh gosh, let me see. Gosh, well, when I first started, I heard of these people were doing these same subconscious healings and this lady had five markers for five different diseases. I heard that she, had cancer leukemia, heart stroke. I can’t remember the other ones, but she did this dealing went back to the doctor and the doctor was shocked. He said, what are you doing? You have no markers whatsoever for any of your diseases anymore. I had this other guy that I personally healed was on a Walker. He’s just stabilizing. He couldn’t walk properly. And now he’s stabilizing now and walking better and is more stable. The other one was this millionaire guy I heard of, he did this type of healing. He was stuck for like six months. Didn’t do any type of sales and did the healing right after almost instantaneously.

Divina Caballo:

He had a $2 million sales in real estate. And then the last one that I heard about was it did this healing relationship Couple. Wasn’t having any kind of intimate relationship for years and years and did it. And right after, you know, that night they were, you know, at it all night. So that was kind of fun. So yeah, those are a few examples on an, I had my own success stories as well. What I can say is just, it feels absolutely amazing to release. It’s really like a release of energy that is vibrating low. And once you just do that and get higher and higher and higher, it’s just, you just feel ecstatic and full of love fulfilled, which is really what everybody’s looking for. Joyous expansion, right? If you wanted to join the five-day challenge, you can go to free spirit academy.com and there’s a button there that says five joined the five-day free challenge. And you go through the process and there’ll be a Facebook live link there if anybody wants to join. So that’s going to be exciting.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. So we are coming to the end of our time together. And one thing I like to ask my guests is to do one minute of motivation. You can imagine this as if you are traveling back in time to your eight-year-old self, and you want to tell you everything, you need to live a happy joy-filled life, but unfortunately, you only have a minute until you’re back into the future. Or you can think of it as if you’re condensing your entire life’s message into a minute. So are you ready?

Divina Caballo:

Here’s my message on how to live a joyous, happy life. If you really want to live a life that transforms into one of fulfillment and joy, think of yourself as a little eight-year-old kid with a little puppy on their arms, that puppy might represent your ego. And what I want you to know is that your eight-year-old kid is your higher self, one of joy. But when you have this puppy, your ego puppy, it’s important to know that you’re going to have it, and you’re going to take care of it. And you’re going to train it. This training might take a long time or a little time. It depends on you. It’s all about training your ego puppy so that you have something that’s subservient to your mission and your joy. Once you are trained in all three levels of your superconscious, conscious, and subconscious mind and are aware that you have this puppy and they can be trained, anything is possible.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. Thank you so much for coming onto my podcast. It’s very interesting hearing your story on how you both unlock the conscious and unconscious and superconscious mind to kind of create this almost Tri Force of Power, if you will, kind of like from Zelda, but the idea in watching it, how it can unfold and thus creating a life, changing your life in miraculous ways, and also helping other people manifest who they want to become and understand their purpose is amazing. So thank you so much for everything you do for this world. And thank you for being on my podcast.

Divina Caballo:

Thank you, Brett. I appreciate it.

Joyous Expansion Podcast Transcript Osiris Indriya, Fostering Community With A Focus On Service To Humanity

Brett Dupree:

Hello, Osiris, and welcome to my podcast. It’s so cool to have you on. Give the audience a little bit of who you are.

Osiris Indriya:

Yeah. My name is Osiris Indriya. I’m a lot of things. I’m a dad of a four and a half-year-old, which definitely has been occupying quite a bit of my life and energy As of late. I also spend my life loving and empowering people, helping build really smart and effective businesses, producing art and music. I do a lot of things, so that makes me relatively complicated and hard to explain Sometimes. It just kind of depends on what the moment needs. I do my best to bring the best of me to that moment.

Brett Dupree:

Oh, that’s awesome. How was the Osiris growing up?

Osiris Indriya:

Generally speaking, I was a pretty intense kid. I learned really early that I was very good at manipulation through tantrums, through all manner of behavioral issues. I would generally get my way. And when I figured out how good I was at getting my way through, essentially torturing others, I kind of made a choice pretty young that I didn’t want to do that. I felt bad about coercing people through bad behavior to do what I wanted them to do. So I decided I made a conscious choice that I wanted to try to collaborate with people more and find mutually beneficial outcomes, which is definitely kind of an odd thing for a young child to do. I asked my mother about it many years later and she said, yeah, she realized early on that I would rather die than do what they wanted me to do. And she really felt that deep her bones, which is kind of an intense thing for a mother. But then she didn’t notice that at some point, you know, in the first five years of life, I turned a corner and made a change and she thought that it was her schooling and education. She was going to school for social work. She was learning a lot about people that maybe she had done something and maybe she did. It may have been something she communicated to me, but for whatever reason, I realized I didn’t want to create suffering in people. Instead, I wanted to create positive outcomes

Brett Dupree:

Past five years old How was creating positive outcomes showing up through your life?

Osiris Indriya:

Didn’t really have a direction for that. So at first it was just limit that negative behavior that I was using to manipulate people, Number one. And then my family was a very Catholic family. My mother went to church multiple times a week, not just Sundays. I would go every Sunday with my family. And one time at church when I was about six years old, just a little bit later than this internal decision I was sitting in church while the priest was giving his sermon about something. I didn’t really understand. I was super bored. I remember the kind of polyester velvet fabric of the pews was a little bit rough and scratchy. And I was laying on the Pew drawing on the donation envelopes with the little stubby pencils they have They’re. Just bored out of my mind. Like how long was this going to go on?

Osiris Indriya:

And all of a sudden I just had this really intense rush and feeling. And an epiphany came to me. I remember it being like audio that I heard a voice speaking. I have no idea what voice it was. What I remember hearing was that I would reach a level of mastery in this lifetime and that my mission was to help as many other people accomplish that same thing with me. And then I saw this beautiful vision of a whole bunch of people walking shoulder to shoulder with me, and that we were all accomplishing some major purpose in this really crucial time on the earth. I immediately got up and told my mother what I was experiencing at the moment. Cause that’s a natural thing to do. Some big moment happens. And you know, she, she pushed me and told me to be quiet and said she would talk to me later.

Osiris Indriya:

Cause we were in the middle of church and the priest was still talking. We did talk about it later. And she thought it was interesting. I mean, it’s a pretty amazing thing for a six-year-old to try to tell you about she definitely supported it, but didn’t really understand or didn’t necessarily feel like she had a specific role to play in that. She just wanted to see what it would unfold as that essentially kind of calibrated my internal beacon on focusing on this life, purpose, and mission Very young. I basically spent the next several years assuming that I was going to become a Catholic priest because I was raised Catholic. And if you want it to have a big impact on people, I couldn’t think of a better example of leadership than the priests. I started going much deeper into the Catholic faith. I went to extra youth groups that were a little bit cultish.

Osiris Indriya:

I’ll admit that they were a little bit extreme and, but they were still Catholic where I started seeing all of the aspects of that faith that led people to feelings of guilt shame. There’s a lot of limiting beliefs that were imposed on people through that, the separation between people and the divine, which didn’t make sense to me because in my vision it was the opposite going on. I was going to achieve this amazing direct connection with the divine, with purpose, with everything. And how could I do that while I was simultaneously involving myself in things that were reinforcing this idea of separation, that somehow I’m lesser than that I have this original sin and that there are all of these things that must be done to maintain life, to avoid hell. You know, all of these things were very separating and felt like fragmentation when I was trying to be whole and bring lots of other people into wholeness.

Osiris Indriya:

Along with me, eventually, I started going to the priest. So this is now like early teens, like 12 to 14. I started going to the priest for confession as often as possible. But what I would do is I would confess a few things and then I would start pounding the priest with questions about accomplishing this mission I had and this amazing priest father Mike, eventually by the time I was 14 and it had been a few years of this finally came to me and said, you know what? I’m curious if this route of becoming a priest of living a life of focus in the Catholic faith was actually going to get me to where I wanted to go. He said that what I was talking about was really beautiful, but he wasn’t sure that the Roman Catholic church was where I was going to find what I was looking for, which is insane.

Osiris Indriya:

It’s crazy to know, and to think of a priest, an example of this very long-standing institution to tell me, maybe I needed to look outside of this. I’m so grateful for this man. But my initial response to that was deep depression because that was all I knew I had no access to other things. I had no way of discovering this for myself. I was still 14. I maybe had a learner’s permit, but I had no way to go anywhere. I live too far away from bookstores or things. This is the early nineties and internet Wasn’t really a thing yet in any significant way. So I just didn’t have access. So I spent a lot of time, very depressed. I actually stopped eating and stopped caring for my body because I didn’t understand how I could live a life without my purpose. I suddenly felt this crisis, that purpose that I knew was me felt so right in real, was out of reach now.

Osiris Indriya:

And if I couldn’t accomplish that, then I didn’t know why I was here. And I didn’t like hate myself. I didn’t have any like suicidal thoughts that I wanted to harm myself, but I just couldn’t invest in living. So I essentially fasted. I didn’t really mean to, I just, I had no reason to invest in life. And after a few days of this, obviously, my parents were concerned. I talked to my mother and to taking me to a bookstore and just dropping me off there for awhile, which she did. I went to the religion and spirit studies area in the nonfiction and just started looking at books that gravitated to two books. One was a book on Taoism and one was a book on Zen Buddhism. Can’t exactly figure out why I made that choice. I gravitate to those books and they were really a perfect place to start because Taoism is a very simplistic view of internal view of spirit, of connection through different kinds of right living, but it had rules and guidelines, but it wasn’t nearly as complex and difficult as what I found in the Catholic church, it was so foreign and different.

Osiris Indriya:

And then the Zen Buddhism book was almost like a comic book that showed all these stories of enlightenment and how Buddha was enlightened and how a succession of Buddhist masters would enlighten each other and how each person had a unique enlightenment story that really caught my attention Oh that we all have our own way of reaching this. So I realized I needed to find my way. Then I spent the next several years going deep into religious studies, studying every kind of spiritual path and opportunity that I could get my hands on. And of course, books only got me so far. And the thing that I started getting really excited about where the earth-based religions, shamanism and magic and hermetic philosophy. And I was specifically into some of the Wiccan books as I was talking to friends. Now I’m in high school. A girl I was interested in dating at the time, told me she was in a small Wiccan coven and practiced witchcraft.

Osiris Indriya:

I was all in. I wanted to experience that. I wanted to understand something very different from what I was raised in. And so I joined that covenant as kind of a guest member. I was never officially included, but they allowed me to participate quite a bit, did a lot of learning. And I really loved how each of us got to stand at our own alter to the divine. Instead of having someone else like a priest, do that for us to be that bridge that I could create my own bridge direct to divinity. And of course, the concept of a feminine divine, as well as a masculine divine really helped me to bring more of that internal unity of my masculine and feminine. And I knew that this was an important piece. So that’s sort of the young life growing up in the family. And I’m just super grateful that my parents and especially my mother was super supportive and keeping in mind at the same time she was going to school for social work at a Catholic university. They didn’t ever stop their focus on faith, but she really encouraged my exploration, and super grateful to have the family I have.

Brett Dupree:

Yeah, that’s something that is rare for my understand how Catholics generally treat their youths. They go wayward, I guess, or at least the stereotype. Basically, after that, what got you out of your depression and your next steps towards where you’re going

Osiris Indriya:

This Wiccan group gave me hope. I was like, Oh, there’s other things out there. There are other people doing things that are not just Christian. It just was so hard to Get outside of that world. And now that I knew, and I tasted, I decided I wanted to just keep going. As I went to college, I moved into the city of Seattle. I started a college at Cornish College of the arts working toward a degree in music. I got a job at an amazing music and record store on Capitol Hill in Seattle called Orpheum records during the early to mid and actually as mid-nineties, when the rave scene was just starting to take off, I wasn’t old enough to go the nightclubs, but raves were definitely something I had access to. And I started learning about electronic music and went and saw some dance parties and felt the experience of being on a dance floor with loud thumping music with beautiful sounds.

Osiris Indriya:

I’d never heard of that for produced with synthesizers and just really felt moved by it and moved by that communal dance experience and thought, wow, this must be part of how I accomplished my mission is bringing people together in joy and expression. So I decided to learn how to produce electronic music and became a DJ mostly to learn how to produce the music. And through that, I actually started producing the events that were sort of the next big phase of my life was becoming an electronic music event producer. I stopped calling them raves because I wanted to create something that was more explicitly spiritually focused without focusing on any specific tradition. So we called it spiritual dance communities, tribal dance communities. Cause we were reaching into that older way of being in community together. Maybe it was a little bit of an appropriation of that word, tribal, but it really felt like we were pulling out some deeper roots of our humanity.

Osiris Indriya:

And we actually started aligning with various spiritual groups, local native tribes from the Pacific Northwest to really make sure that what we were educating ourselves. And then in turn sharing that education at our events with participants and eventually a group of us created something called the Oracle gatherings, which were a series of 23 events that went from about 2001 to 2008, where each event was celebrating a theme from a tarot deck that we made. So we made our own 23 card tarot deck, a divination deck of cards with images on them depicting various scenes. And we would draw a card at the end of the previous event to determine what the next event was. So the events themselves were a reading at each event. We celebrated that theme. So the first one was called father-son and we had the myth, the elements alchemy, the senses, thoughts of great themes.

Osiris Indriya:

And each theme had a performance that happened at midnight that we called a Prayer Formance, which was an actual right of passage ceremony. We invented for the participants to go through based on the theme. So our goal was creating real experiences, real magic, as we understood it as performance for a whole community to go through these cathartic transformations together over this period of time. And it was amazing what we were doing. I’d never heard or seen anything like it. And yet it still wasn’t quite what I had felt from my initial vision. So I was still looking and eventually, we had a card come up called mystery school. And in my mind, this concept of mystery school was really interesting, but I felt like mystery schools were an ancient thing that didn’t exist anymore. That, you know, there were remnants of these things,

Osiris Indriya:

But they weren’t really relevant anymore today, But it was still worth celebrating. And we had a hard time finding a venue for this event. We ended up teaming up. So we were kind of a group of hippie ravers that were very spiritual playing, very upbeat, happy music. And we partnered with a group of industrial Gothic folks who had their own music, labels, and bands. And we partnered up and we went to a nudist park, Pacific Northwest to throw a festival together. And we called the event mystery school and they called their event, the Black Sun. And we were at the same venue and they were deep in the woods. And we were out on the lawn in the sun at a nudist park. It’s such an amazing, intense experience to see these really opposing aesthetics come together. And we had a stage in the middle where all the food was, which was a way of blending.

Osiris Indriya:

The two communities where we booked artists back and forth one after the other, where there was music from both communities in one space where people ate and there was a Lake where the only place in the whole park where you had to be naked, according to the rules of the park was the Lake. So come as you are everywhere else, but at the Lake, you must be nude. And in the saunas, of course, by Sunday of this weekend festival called mystery school, all of the hippie ravers and goths were all new to the Lake. And the only way you could tell the difference was the paleness of the skin and a little bit of the hair Maybe. It was an amazing coming together of opposites. So we thought, which is what we thought mystery schools are about. But at this event, somebody from a real mystery school saw the flyer and said, mystery school, what is this?

Osiris Indriya:

And came to his park had never really been to a rave before. And she checked it out. She thought that was pretty cool. She never seen anything like this to use initiate of the Modern Mystery School. And she tried to find out who is in charge of this event. She met with us and started speaking with us and specifically had a lot of conversations with me. She spent a lot of her free coming over to tell me about her school. Her tradition answered like a zillion questions. Cause by this point I’d tried everything from my perspective and I’m still in my twenties. Of course, I knew it all. I was invincible. I had learned all about all religions and traditions. There was nothing she had to offer me. I’d also followed gurus and tried things where it always turned out that the gurus were somehow imperfect or they are just out to take my money or wanted something improper for me, I’d experienced it all.

Osiris Indriya:

So I assumed this was just another one of those things. I want them to take my resources and energy, but there was something about this woman that was a little bit different. So eventually I decided that I needed to at least give it a try. It’s not every day, someone from a 3000-year-old tradition. So she said comes into your life and invites you to learn about it. One on one, I decided to give it a shot. So she did something with me called the life activation, which is a session or one on one session with some ritual and some work with a wand that has a crystal made out of sage. And I went and had that experience. It was cool. It was interesting. I didn’t feel like anything happened. So I went home then a couple of weeks later, she calls me up and said, you know, how’s it going since your activation?

Osiris Indriya:

And I said you know, nothing really happened. I didn’t feel anything. So I think I’m, I’m done. I appreciate your time. She said, why don’t you just tell me about your life? Like what’s happened since I saw you. So I started talking and I was like, well, I moved into a new house and I’m starting some new professional relationships that are actually starting to produce some pretty amazing opportunities. And my relationships have pretty much transformed. Like all of them, I got all of this new work and even my pets are behaving better. So she goes oh So nothing’s happened. I literally had to have her confront me about that for me to realize how drastically everything had changed. And the reason I didn’t attribute it to the session was because these were all things I had wanted and worked towards for years. And yet within two weeks, all of them happened and that made me go, Hmm, maybe there’s something to this.

Osiris Indriya:

So I made a decision in that moment that I was going to go for it. I was going to go deep into this tradition that I wanted to meet. Whoever was in charge because I knew this woman learned from somebody. So I wanted to find who she learned from who that person learned from until I got to the source. So I could figure out how that person was flawed and then move on with my life because everything else had always been that way. So I did that within about six months, I was in Utah meeting the founder of this tradition. And in some ways, I could say the rest is history that every human is flawed to some degree, but this community was literally my vision. It was an international organization of people coming together to reveal and express their unique purpose, using exceptional tools that we’re working for, people from all over the world with different languages, histories, different political beliefs, different socioeconomic statuses, like everything, all coming together, the same tools, working for everybody, everyone working towards that empowerment of self and the fulfillment of purpose. I was like, this is it. This is literally what I’ve been trying to create and what a load off that was to feel like, wow, I don’t have to invent this. In fact, I can stand on the shoulders of all these other people and build my own reality with it. And that’s what I’ve been doing ever since.

Brett Dupree:

So with the Modern Day Mystery School, what reality did you end up building?

Osiris Indriya:

Well, I became more of myself. I really got into there’s many different aspects to this ancient hermetic tradition. It comes from according to the tradition, direct from what we know of as the God Hermes in the tradition is called a Hermes Trismegistus or Trismegistus, which is the thrice great Hermes, which the tradition says was an actual being who taught one person. And that one person wrote everything down and passed it along so others can learn it. And this philosophy is over 3000 years old, at least the tradition because the tradition was solidified by King Soloman the Wise 3000 years ago, Hermes was many thousands of years before that. But the actual format of this tradition was solidified by King Solomon, the wise, and all of the tools are just there to enhance who you already are. So just like my life activation experience, where all the things I’ve been working for suddenly within reach these tools were designed to help people bring that life.

Osiris Indriya:

They desire within reach and to help clarify our desire, to make sure that what we’re aimed at is true to our central purpose, to who we really are not based on what other people have told us we should be doing. So clearing away all those external world influences that honestly don’t really matter. And aren’t relevant to who we are as a being. So we can be who we really are. And honestly, as much as that can be a little confronted for people at first, as people who are watching me shift, there were definitely people who were concerned thinking I was getting involved in some weird cult and potentially throwing my life and money away. The truth was is I was just becoming more me. And within that six months of aggressive learning and practice of ritual meditation, I was able to come back out and rebuild all of my relationships where that child, me, who was manipulating people, even though I told myself, I didn’t want to do it.

Osiris Indriya:

I was still doing it. And the way I was manipulating people was I was manipulating my relationships to need me. I found ways to make myself essential and other people’s life. So that way I knew they always be there, that they needed me to be around. And what Mystery School taught me, how to do was be completely self-sufficient. And to know that I could do everything for myself, that there’s nothing outside of me that I needed to be complete as a complete person. I can have much more deep and meaningful relationships with others. So I recreated all of my relationships as a complete person where I didn’t need to be needed, that I could participate with people where sometimes I would be in support of their visions. But I also knew sometimes it was my turn to be supported and to have people support their visions, but also knowing that I had everything I need to do it on my own if that’s what it took to get my mission done.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. So talk a little bit about your, I believe it’s Blessoterra Center.

Osiris Indriya:

Yes. My wife and I live in Bothell, Washington, and we have our home and centers. So we’ve essentially dedicated about 50%, a whole floor of our home to work the upper floor to living where we live with our four-year-old son. And we’ve also now added an outdoor space because we do live in the era of coronavirus pandemic. And in order to continue doing our work, we want to make sure we’re being as safe as possible. So we now have an outdoor session space and under a canopy, which we’re really excited about for the summer months. But we have a center where we offer personal sessions, healings like life activation. I spoke about initiations into the tradition, oral handing downs. We call it or the process of sharing knowledge and tools and rituals that come from this ancient tradition, which our tradition only works in person. So this world of zoom and podcasts, there’s only so much we can share in order to help people. We need to be in the same physical space with them. So we’ve set up our home, 50% of our home to be a temple and learning space. In addition to that, I started a religious nonprofit called the Institute of Awakened Mastery. And we have a space in the North gate area in Seattle, which hopefully will be reopening with limited capacity to also continue this important work of empowering people.

Brett Dupree:

So what does it look like working with you?

Osiris Indriya:

Well, we always start with a consultation with a conversation because somebody, I wish I could quote someone right now. I heard this week and I can’t remember where I heard it. If it comes to me, I’ll speak up the idea that the world is upside down and all of us are oriented to that upside-down world, or maybe a better way of saying it is inside, out, or outside in where the outside literally gets in and contaminates who we are and the orientation of moving yourself to be an inside out orientation where that unique light that is you is coming out into the world. Instead of us responding to what’s coming in is a really different reality for a lot of people because we’ve been so ingrained in focusing X, outside of us, the external world for all of our validation, for our sense of self. This idea I heard this week is someone said that you should smile because your mood is determined by your environment and your smile will help you feel happy inside.

Osiris Indriya:

And I got so upset because that’s a person being a victim to the outside world, and that’s not who, what we are. We’re divine beings. We have an infinite source of possibility and potential within, and we have the ability to influence not only our mood from the inside out but all others. So that initial consultation is really about feeling out and meeting people where they are hearing them out, understanding what they believe their story is, where they want to go in life. And then also representing to them the way my wife and I have been living that inside out reality that the inside comes out and seeing if people find resonance with that. Cause not everyone’s ready to make that shift because even though it seems kind of simple and basic, it’s really hard to do when we’re so habitually focused on bringing the outside in.

Osiris Indriya:

So that consultation is essential to make sure there’s compatibility around moving that focus to be internal and then learning to express who we really are. And if people do find affinity to that, then we invite them to either take classes in small groups, do sessions like the life activation potentially receive initiation. And once one is initiated into the tradition, they then get access to do everything that we’re doing, which is to continue on in this larger international school and be trained by many teachers. So we’re just kind of an access point to the tradition. So we don’t really see people like our students per se, but we have some tools to help people get started. And then we can introduce them to all of the many pathways that were available to us so they can find what’s best for them to help their lives and their purpose. So just like in our original or my original vision, I can help build that army of people walking shoulder to shoulder with me, changing the world for the better helping people wake up to who they really are and living a life of purpose.

Brett Dupree:

What kind of transformations have you seen from people that you worked with and initiated?

Osiris Indriya:

It’s interesting. Cause I would actually say about 75% of the people we see have significant transformations. They tell us they’re grateful. One of the obvious changes for a lot of people tends to be financial, which comes with bringing yourself more in line with your true purpose and your, to making your work, Your life work. Tends to help people become a bit more abundant and it may not be financially right away, but there’s a different type of opportunity that opens up when you’re more authentic to who you really are. For some people, it’s just a different sense of peace and wellbeing. It can be physical healing. It really varies because it kind of depends on what people are working through when they come to us. But in some of the extreme cases, we’ve had people we didn’t know at the time who was actually extremely depressed and considering suicide.

Osiris Indriya:

They came to us as a last resort because honestly what we’re doing is a little bit weird to go to someone who says they’re part of a Mystery School to receive energy healings that you’ve never heard of before and to learn classes about things that are hard to substantiate, like learning about unseen forces, angelic beings, rituals. It’s definitely out there. It’s outside of what most people consider normal. And so often people come to us as a last resort. They’ve tried all of the standard things. First, they’ve gone to psychotherapists, they’ve gone in nutritionists and they’ve, you know, they got the part of the way, but there was always something in the way they couldn’t get beyond. And so we’ve helped those people to get out of that depressed state and start thriving. So I say 75% of these people they’ll think us and then they’ll go on to live their lives. And we may not hear from them much again, but often they’ll get what they need and a few visits change enough of their life as much as they’re looking for. And then they go about their life. And that’s great. You know, about 25% do end up pursuing the deeper mysteries with us and go on that process of becoming Pierce with us in the tradition because it’s not for everybody, not everyone’s purpose is to share Mystery School teachings. Right?

Brett Dupree:

That makes a lot of sense, but those are some cool transformations as well. So we are coming to the end of our time together. And one thing I like to ask my guests is to give one minute of motivation. You can imagine this as if you’re in a time machine, traveling back to your eight-year-old self and you want to convey everything. You need to live a happy joy-filled life, but unfortunately, you only have a minute until you’re plucked back into the future. Or you can think of it as taking your entire life’s message and condensing it down to a minute.

Osiris Indriya:

The first thing to know about yourself is that you belong here, that you have purpose and reason for being a unique and special purpose that has never been expressed in this physical reality ever before. And that light is important to shine bright, to help everyone to realize who they are and bring about the peace that we want to see in the world, that opportunity for each of us to be celebrated in our uniqueness and thrive. We are often challenged by the external world, the external world to put limits on us, to get us questioning what we feel inside. And those are all just tests of our resilience and challenges for us to learn, to reflect, to center ourselves, build ourselves up so that we can shine brighter than any of the darkness that may come our way. And as we shine brighter, instead of seeing the darkness in the world, we attract a lot more in light. It’s extremely important to know and see our own value. Even if it’s not something that we’ve yet experienced to at least hold the hope that we can find it and that the only place we can find it is within. And once we found it, it’s our mission and purpose to share that uniqueness with the world.

Brett Dupree:

Awesome. Thank you so much for being on my podcast. I was really interested in listening to your story on how you started in wanting to become a Catholic priest. And luckily you have such a supportive foundation to push you, to seek out other avenues, and to be able to build on that and becoming a DJ and bringing people together. But even then still going beyond that and finding something that fits you and your vision so that you can help and serve other people is extremely fascinating. And I thank you so much for sharing it on my podcast. So thank you so much for everything you do for this world. And thank you for being on my podcast.

Osiris Indriya:

Thank you, Brett. I really appreciate you and everything that you’re doing and love watching you thrive and grow through this podcast. So thank you so much for, including me in your life and in this project.

Brett Dupree:

May your day be special.

Osiris Indriya:

Yours as well.

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